does this even really matter? why would changing bonuses on unobtainable, and unused ships even matter? there are soo many unused ships in EVE that it seems pointless to even mention them anymore. Make the RSI and other ships available to all players and then it might have some effect. CCP is always removing unused items and stuff from the database i am surprised that these ELITE BS haven't been removed as well since no one can get they and no one uses them.

Hey there everyone,
Ill take the freedom of sum up the opinions here

Raven
We are relatively ok with the changes for the raven, she gained a great deal of speed there, and a little agility. The loss of tank makes up for the additional tank fitting possibility.

Scorpion
Most of the Players are not OK with the Scorpion as it is... and the change hitting with Odyssey just makes them realize and think over all the things they dislike about the slow, not very resilient, unbattleshiplike (no damage bonuses) ECM Boat that is seldomly flown. We think the Scorpion is not fine because we are not ok with ECM in general.

Rokh
There are various remarks about the rokh, most ppl know her as Sniper for Years, which is working. Some People, like me, see the Naga as an outrage in this case, because it does the sniping better than the Rokh. The Reason because we think so is: in a Real fleet battle the Tank the Rokh fields barely matters, because hundreds of ships are shooting on the primary it doesnt matter if the sniper in question has 25k or 90k ehp. What Matters is, that the Naga locks faster, does more damage and applys the damage exactly as the rokh does, while being more agile and faster as the rokh.

if there any additional details i missed please feel free to add it in here

have a nice day

Jitoru

Not many people fly them anymore. The Raven was used for pve because it was garbage for pvp while the Rokh gets some use in pvp. The drake used to be the most common pvp ship because it was noob friendly and heavy missiles though sucky in dps, could be projected for awesome range, the weapon system took a nerf bat and now it no longer is number 1.

Goonswarm found use in the drake and took it from a seldom used pvp ship to a giant ball of caldari death, because of this, and with their numbers it worked well for them. Then a bunch of cry babies complained how the drake was over powered yet it had not been touched by the devs for years and when creativity came about it suddenly became unfair.


The Naga is alright but the Talos can still snipe just not as far but still provide superior dps and a set of small drones to help fend off frigs.
Once you hit 150km out, probers will have you scanned down in seconds and its over. The Talos can easily snipe that distance if needed.




Falcon has limited use, and though caldari has a few decent frig hulls, they are still lacking compared to others.

So thats pretty much it.

Dont ask about caldari Hac's, they are the worst in game and undocking in an Eagle will either get you laughed at because will think you are joking about bringing it to fleet or they will just outright kick you for trying to use it.

I'm fine with the scorpion but in your case with the rohk, the Hyperion would need a slightly higher damage increase per level to distinguish the ships to their intended roles.

Which I really hope isnt the case, since I like to buffer fit mine. Even though the XLASB's are great, Missile bay loaded and then the charges on top of that, Either we sacrifice ammo for charges or vise versa..

Another trade off with caldari. It really gets old. The Rohk can manage it because hybrid ammo is small. Of course its getting a tank nerf now..

I found Everquest 1 to be a decent game. WoW on the other hand made me want to /wrist.

Please CCP Rise, Take a look at this tread:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=228586&find=unread

I'm just an engineer trying to improve eve : )

Shhhhhh dont talk about reducing damage...CCP will make them hit a slight better, reduce base damage by like 50%.. call it fixed and then not look at the mistake for another 6 years.

Lets look at this assertion.

Tank
Shield 7000(Raven) 2160(Naga)
Armor 5800(Raven) 1575(Naga)

In shields, the Raven (New Version) has over 3 times the tank of a Naga.
In Armor, almost 4 times.

The Naga is indeed much more mobile at 195, but the Raven will have a Speed Buff and will have a speef of 113.
Indeed, the BC is much more mobile.

Then we have selectable Damage Types. The Raven can Select Damage types as it wishes.
The Naga is stuck with its Hybrid-Based Damage Types.

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For Torpedoes we will have to see what will happen in the future.
A possible change to torpedoes could make the Raven OP in the brawler setting.

But with the new Cruise Missiles buffs, which allow Cruise Missiles more, faster and better damage application, one on one, a Raven should rip a Naga or Talos to shreds.

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In Slots, a Naga has an 8/6/3 Setup
The Raven an 7/7/5.
This allows a Raven Pilot a much broader setup and much more flexibility.

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We have had a total of 4 dev posts on the caldari forum aside from the change post.

All right near the beginning. One was a correction on Rokh slot layout that was misprinted, other was an answer to a question on navy raven.
The 3rd was a generic response on missile issues that they havent quite pinned down and the last being a slight base shield increase to the raven after player feedback on how garbage the tank was.

I point this out because we have had a ton off feedback on how the changes really did nothing and when you go on the other battleship threads for the other 3 races, they have been posting and responding all over it.

Far more than what we have seen here, its so very lopsided. If you havent figured out the biased dislike for caldari from previous history, then just go look. Its definitely not cool.

CCP dev guidelines.

If amarr & cap life = crap (ignore)
If caldari & ship = popular (nerf)
If gallente & forum whine less than 2 hours = buff
If minmatar = buff.

Got to hand it to the minnies, the technologically most backward people in eve are not only the most versatile jack of all trades but they are the absolute masters at everything. Their 'rust buckets' out perform every other race in new eden in every meaningful way.

Raven:

The (cavalry)Raven is becoming the Caldari attack battleship. Its bonuses were a natural fit already, and although its giving up some base hitpoints, the substantial increase to speed and added mid should open up plenty of new opportunities for Caldari missile pilots without hurting anyone who was already happy using it.

Its also gaining power grid and CPU output so that torp focused fits and fits that want to use propulsion mods are more easily accessible. Keep in mind that we will be taking a more detailed look at battleship sized missile systems in the near future.

Caldari Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+5% bonus to Cruise and Torpedo Launcher rate of fire
+10% bonus to Cruise Missile Torpedo Velocity

Slot layout: 7H(-1), 7M(+1), 5L; 4 turrets , 6 launchers
Fittings: 11000 PWG(+1500), 750(+50) CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 7000(-500) / 5800(-841) / 6400(-241)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / recharge per second) : 5500(+187.5) / 1160s / 4.74
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 113(+19) / .12(-.008) / 99300000 / 16.52s (-1.1s)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(-25) / 75
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 75km / 85 / 7
Sensor strength: 22 Gravimetric
Signature radius: 420(-50)

Good Job CCP Rise its a piece of Shyte!!!

Raven

Caldari Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+5% bonus to Cruise and Torpedo Launcher rate of fire
+10% bonus to Cruise Missile Torpedo Velocity (Possibly change its to a 7.5% Shield Boost Amount per level or just leave bonus as is)

Slot layout: 7H(-1), 7M(+1), 5L; 4 turrets , 7(+1) launchers
Fittings: 11000 PWG(+1500), 800(+100) CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 7500 / 5800(-841) / 6400(-241)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / recharge per second) : 5500(+187.5) / 1160s / 4.74
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 120(+26) / .12(-.008) / 99300000 / 16.52s (-1.1s)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(-25) / 75
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 80(+5)km / 100(+15) / 7
Sensor strength: 22 Gravimetric
Signature radius: 400(-70)

There Raven relatively fix and good for both PvE and PvP, more shields, more launchers, more speed, more target range, more scan resolution, less signature radius.

I don't think sig is particularly important at these scales. Small and med weapons are already tracking both ships without any trouble. It matters somewhat for large ones, but I don't think it's a huge deal.

As for tank itself. I don't think I saw that post. Did it compare EHP only? What about ASBs and RR? What were your fits?

If they did that every single amarr, gallente and minmatar pilot would be yelling for a nerf until ccp gave in. Or it would be done in a way that they reduce something in exchange making the outcome as zero or possibly even negative.